Football to Chiropractic School: Jack Kane's Story

[0:00] What happens when a Division I football player decides that he wants to trade crackback hits for actually cracking backs? Well, today we’re going to find out. We’ve got Oregon State safety and future chiropractor Jack Cone with us, and we’re asking the tough questions. Yes, we’ll ask the tough questions today. Okay, like how many times you’ve heard the same boring speech from Dr. Young? Well, let’s just say I’ve lost count. What happens when a chiropractor and a physical therapist get together to make a health and wellness podcast?

[0:30] Chiropractors and physical therapists don’t like each other? Think again. I’m Dr. Kathy — physical therapist who likes to help people move and get stronger. I’m Dr. Jason Young, an evidence-based chiropractor that uses humor just as much as adjustments to help people get better. Welcome to the PTCH Podcast. Remember, there’s no I in PTCH. Well, hey everybody, welcome to the PTCH Podcast, and thank you for joining us today. We’re joined by Jack Kan, who is a safety — he’s a football player for Oregon State football. So welcome, Jack. Thank you,

[1:01] thank you guys for having me. Good to have you, good to have you. We invited Jack because Jack has — aside from being a football player — he’s also been an intern in my clinic this year, and it’s been pretty awesome. So Jack, we just want to ask you a bunch of questions about football, about your internship, about health, and we’re going to need honest answers. Okay? Yeah, I got you. Okay, all right, good. Okay, so how about if you start with: tell us how you got interested in chiropractic care. It’s actually kind of an all-over-

[1:32] the-place kind of story. So growing up, we had this auntie who owns her own kind of PT clinic, but she does a lot for like the high school boys, and we’ve always been able to go there, and she’s chiropractic certified, and it got me really into it — like treatment and stuff. But yeah, it was just something I found really fascinating, like fun to do, like fun to watch. And yeah, I was one of those kids who would scroll on Instagram and I’d watch people get their backs cracked — like it’s just that sense of… But no, and then when I got to Oregon State I met you my freshman year

[2:03] because, like you said, I play safety, and sometimes, you know, you just compress your back a little too much and it’s a nice relief and it resets my day sometimes. So yeah, that’s what really kickstarted it. Okay, yeah. So the idea is to compress other people’s backs as a safety? Yeah, you send them to see me. Yeah. So Jack, at what point did you know that this is something that you wanted to pursue as a career? I’d probably say around my sophomore year of college, honestly. You know, we had a class where we go

[2:33] over all the professions and all the fields you can go into, and Dr. Young actually came back in — after I’d seen him around football, I saw him on campus — and he talked about chiropractic and all the awesome things that go with it, and it was just that kind of thing that reignited my flame, like talking about my aunt previously. It kind of just helped me get back into it. Okay, yeah. So that’s really interesting, because I do those classes and whenever I’m leaving the clinic my staff’s like, “Where are you going?” and I’m like, “I’m going over to OSU to

[3:03] talk to students and talk anybody who wants to be a chiropractor out of it.” So yeah, you got me. Yeah, okay. Whoops. Yeah, in fact I think I remember that day because I was late — I showed up late. Yeah, I was on my scooter and it was raining, and yeah, that was not my best work. But apparently it was good enough. Good enough. All right, well hey, so I know you and Kathy very well, and I’ve kept something from you that you guys have in

[3:33] common, and I just wanted to play a little micro game and see if you guys can figure out what it is. Okay. I’m going to read some things here that people like you might connect to. And these are actually people. All right, the first person is Regis Philbin — you might be too young. Do you know who Regis is? You know who Regis — I already know this. I must know this. You know the thing — let’s see if you can catch up. All right, let’s see. We’ll give you — I just

[4:04] figured it out on your first clue. All right, we’ll see if you can catch up. How about Condoleezza Rice? No, I’m still — okay, still, still. All right, gosh, now you’ll start to get it. Ready? Joe Montana. Okay, I don’t know where we’re going with it. You know, you know — now you’re talking about people I know. I know. Yes. All right, Jerome Bettis? He lost me again. See, this is when bad things are going to happen. Okay, Brady Quinn? Brady Quinn, yeah. Okay, Manti

[4:37] Te’o? Okay, yeah. Now we’re at — what do you guys have in common? That we have in common? Yeah. Is it the Irish side? It is — the Irish! Yes! Yeah, these are a couple of Notre Dame Irish fans. Let’s go Irish! Yes. So Kathy, why are you an Irish fan? Well, I was born and brainwashed as an Irish fan, to be honest with you. Similar. Yeah, my grandfather went to school there, then my uncle went there, and then I had to carry the tradition. So I got my MBA there. Oh really? Yeah. Very good. And your

[5:10] connection? Same thing — brainwashed. You know, Touchdown Jesus. My mom’s a big fan. We’re in Southern California, we hate SC — it’s like the rule, you have to hate SC. But no, we even have in our house on the stairs it’s like “Play Like A Champion.” Yeah, my mom’s all about it, she loves it. Yeah. So you got to play against them last year? Yeah, that was awesome. I bet that was fun, huh? Yeah, to an extent. Yeah. It was exciting, it was fun while it was fun. It was fun right before the game — great, it was cool. Yeah,

[5:42] super cool. And everybody remembers the good old Fiesta Bowl — when — never heard that story. Oh yeah? Yeah, I’ve lived in Corvallis for 15 years and I’ve never even heard that. Let me tell you, Kathy — we dominated Notre Dame, okay, in the Fiesta Bowl. It was wonderful. Yes. So okay, well can we ask you some questions about your life in football, chiropractic, things like that? Yeah. Okay. So let’s start with football. So what has been the biggest challenge for you playing football at the

[6:14] Division I level? For me personally, it’s my size. You know, I’m not very tall — I’m 5’10”, 180 lbs. So playing Division I football, you know, you get a lot of guys who look like they’re built in labs, and so I think that’s always been something that deters people from looking at me. And it also works in my favor sometimes, because people don’t think I can play the way I can play. But you know, that’s probably my biggest struggle — just my size. Right, so like after people get hit, they’re not like, “Well, it’s his size.” No. Hopefully not.

[6:45] Right, yeah, well, and that’s got to be — that’s got to be kind of tough because it’s not like something that you — there’s no chiropractic adjustment for it. Do you have any PT exercises or stretches? Okay, yeah, all right. How has injury prevention changed the way that you approach the game?

Well, now I’m an old man. I’m on year four and I’m realizing it — I’m feeling it in the weight room and stuff. But injury prevention, you know, it’s great, to be honest.

[7:17] We have so many tools and people to help us, like availability, and you know, like pregame stretching, pre-practice stretching — before you go out to stretch, you stretch before you stretch. Yeah, oh my gosh, yeah. Like sometimes — that’s what I’m saying — you feel old, you know? You’re fine. But no, I think it’s helped me tremendously with just like instances of — like, we do stuff like balance. Like, not everything is big weights. We do a lot of

[7:47] resistance training, we do a lot of mobility and stuff, and I think it’s helped me a lot to maintain my body and keep me at where I need to be at, and above. And I think like, you know, soft tissue is always an injury that people get, and it’s just that wear and tear, and I think preventive training helps me with that.

Jason: Yeah, so like you said that you’re an old man now — which, okay, like I got kids your age — but when you came into the program, what

[8:19] was your attitude towards that stuff? Were you like, “Oh, this is stupid, yes I can touch my toes,” and things like that? Because I used to coach — like, I coached a lot of youth sports, and trying to take kids through warm-ups, some of them are just like, “This is so dumb,” and it’s because they have like great, resilient bodies. How has your attitude maybe changed towards that over time?

No, yeah, it definitely has changed. But I was fortunate enough to grow up with like a group of people — like I said, literally PT — so it was like something I knew was important. But

[8:50] definitely freshman, sophomore year was something where I was like, okay, I can get away with like not doing a certain amount of stuff, or like even getting a certain amount of hours of sleep. Like, I learned how crucial sleep is. Yeah. But no, I think over time the main thing that changed was like how much I do, or like the things I choose to do — figuring out what I like and what I know works for me, more so than like, “Oh, it’s not important — now it is important,” type of thing.

Jason: Yeah, yeah. What’s your go-to warm-up routine?

Oh, okay. So they actually —

[9:22] we have a board and it’s all these band exercises we do before, so like we can do like hip thrusts with band resistance, or just different things. And personally my favorite is anything to do with my hip flexors — I love stretching my — yeah, yeah.

Jason: Well, you know, it’s interesting that you bring up sleep, because I think there’s currently a meme circulating the internet — I can’t like attest to the validity of the information — but it’s something like athletes who don’t get enough sleep are

[9:53] like four times more likely to get injured. And yeah, I think that’s legit. You young athletes out there, you kids, go to sleep. Get your sleep.

I’m always telling my boys — you know, my boys — I’m always telling them like, go to sleep.

Oh, I’m going to bed. How am I talking to you? If you are asleep right now — sleep right now.

Jason: Well, let me ask you this. So do you feel like chiropractic has played a role in your athletic career, and like, what do you see

[10:23] is the impact that it’s had — like, maybe if you compare yourself to other athletes who maybe don’t use chiropractic? We’ll probably get to PT later, but let’s talk about the important stuff first.

Chiropractic is something that you preach all the time. It’s like, maintain wear — and I think people have to realize, like, we’re going over preventive training and rehab and stuff like that, or prehab even. It’s the idea of like, you have to keep yourself in the best condition you can, and chiropractic always helps with that.

[10:54] And I think like, sometimes we talk about joint dysfunction, and people don’t realize like, you can hurt other things based off one. And why not go to a chiropractor if they’re going to go to the main source of the joint or the joint dysfunction? So it’s just another amazing tool that is given to us.

Jason: It’s a good point. You know, I remember an athlete — when I started working with Oregon State, he’s in the NFL now — and like, you can tell who’s going to go and play at the next level. Like, they have the ability, but then on

[11:24] top of that, they have a — like a business approach to taking care of their bodies, right? They’re not going out and partying and stuff; they go to bed on time — those types of things. And I remember this guy came in and he had a hamstring injury, and so they sent him to me so that we could start adjusting his pelvis, and he got better and he was doing good. But man, every single time I was there, he was there. And like, this one day I was like, “Dude, you come like every week, sometimes twice a

[11:54] week, to get adjusted — like, why do you keep coming back?” And he said — oh gosh — he said, “When I’m out there” — and he’s an offensive player — he said, “When I’m out there and I’m matched up against a defensive player, and I know that it’s him versus me, and if I’m at 99% and he’s at 100%, I’m going to lose.” He said, “So I want every last thing out of my body, and I want to be confident that I have every last thing that I can get out of my body.” And I was like, “Oh, I’ve got to use that.” I was like,

[12:25] that’s good. So yeah, that’s awesome.

Yeah. So you want to be a chiropractor — what skills do you think you’re going to take from the football field to the clinic?

Oh, that’s hard. Well, first, I think Dr. Young just kind of preached on it — like, I want to be my very best. So I think discipline, and my drive to do it. Like, something we

[12:56] always talk about is, I want to be on the field as much as I can, right? So why would I not want to be dominant in the classroom? And I think that’s just the way you approach life — like, you got to start fast, you know, you got to do the right things, and then you just got to finish everything you do. Yeah. So I think yeah, it’s just like my mindset I want to take from. And I guess my experience — like the injuries I’ve had and stuff, and the ability to talk to people about athletics and how to maintain your body. But I think like my business side of

[13:26] Jason: It — I just want to be — the willingness to like be the best at what I do.

Kathy: I love that. I know your mom’s probably going to watch this because she should — she shouldn’t — she sub — she should subscribe. I can’t — subscribe. She should smash the Subscribe. Your mom should subscribe, and everybody’s mom should — really, I mean, and like your mom is kind of famous around Oregon State, yeah? Right? Yeah. What’s the story? Like, why does everybody at U know your mom?

Jason: So the story is really simple. My mom makes this poster and it says, “Try not to suck.

[13:56] Love, Mom.” And, well — it’s great. I have three other siblings and, growing up, my brothers and I were all two years apart and we all played baseball growing up. And it was kind of like — we have a little sister, and you know how little kids are, like they’re — she’s not going to sit at the game — oh no, no shot, like she wants to go play with her dolls. And my mom would just line us up and be like, “Are you going to play well today? Are you going to win? Are you pitching? No? All right, well try not to suck.” She just — no, like, and I hope you

[14:28] guys like — my mom is a great woman, like she always takes care of us, does everything for us. It was more of a sense of like — hey, like, she’s not a “oh you’re the best” and all this. She’s like, no, if you suck, you suck — like, don’t suck. That was the story.

Kathy: So it’s a good little chip.

Jason: That’s a great story.

Kathy: We get to hear about your mom sometimes, and I know I brought her up because I think that if she watches it she’s probably going to be so proud to hear that you’re taking those types of lessons — as far as like discipline and stuff like that — into really important areas of your life.

[15:00] Football’s important, football’s super important, but there’s more important things, you know, like your education, relationships, your work, and everything. So that’s great.

Jason: Well, like, it’s also really important to know like football ends — like it’s not going to be here forever. So, one of my coaches always preached like, no matter how far you go or where you take it, you got to understand the long-term goal of school — like that’s what the degree is going to get you, that’s what’s going to build your career, that’s what’s going to build your foundation. But yeah, so yeah — Jack, chiropractic is forever. Yeah, do it

[15:31] forever.

Kathy: I hope not. No, chiropractic ends after 12 visits. Yeah.

Jason: So let me ask you this. So you’ve been doing the internship in my clinic — it’s actually finals week, so thank you for taking the time to come in and do this with us. But we’re through your internship — can you tell us like what are some of the things that maybe you learned during your internship that were eye-opening to you or surpris—

[16:01] Jason: You’re like, “I don’t want to be a chiropractor anymore.”

Kathy: No, no, I brought you full circle. Yeah, I was like, “Oh, it’s terrible.”

Jason: No, I think the first thing that I noticed — the first major thing I noticed — was just your connection with people, and I found it really interesting to think about because, you know, when you think of a doctor’s office, I don’t think people are that close with their doctors and everything. But the connection you have with people is unreal — like you know

[16:31] what’s going on in their life, they know what to ask, and it’s just a great energy that you bring, and you can tell people are excited to be there. And of course everyone wants to get their back cracked — like, do — but it’s nice to know people aren’t there like, “Oh, I’m here, just get my back cracked, the room’s quiet, ten minutes later, all right, see you.” It’s like there’s a real connection that you’re building. So that was the first thing I noticed. Second thing I noticed was how family-oriented your clinic is — literally, I mean literally. Kids work there — Mrs. Young, shout out Mrs. Young, she

[17:02] works there, she takes care of everyone — and you have Jed, Aubrey, and you just added Lily. Your staff is amazing, the connection you guys have is very genuine, I feel like. And I’ve been in places and around certain teams and stuff like that where you can tell when there’s a genuine connection, and stuff feels forced — and it just feels like a home, like a second home almost.

Kathy: That’s very nice, especially considering that I hadn’t submitted your final grade yet, so that’s going to bump you up a few points, I’m sure.

Jason: Yeah, that’s really good. Yeah,

[17:33] you’re up to a solid B now, sir. Yeah, you keep working hard.

Kathy: No, but that means a lot for you to say, because we do a lot to take care of that, right? That’s something that we protect, and we like to have that connection. I think that’s one of the things that actually drew me to being a chiropractor, and I know that that’s why you own your own PT clinic — because when you get into something like this, especially if you’re getting into it on purpose, you want to be in a situation

[18:03] where you can control the type of healthcare that you’re providing.

Jason: Yeah, absolutely. And it’s like — oh, sorry, go ahead.

Kathy: No, you’re good — go ahead. No, I don’t want to cut you off.

Jason: No, I was just saying like — chiropracting — like, you have your own hours, and this is selfish of course, but this is me saying like I want to be a family man. Like, I want to be able to go to my kids’ games, I want to be able to be there and create my hours so that, like, some mornings I’m going to be the one that takes my kids to school, we’ll go get breakfast — you know what I mean? And I think it’s awesome, like you

[18:33] — as crazy as it sounds — you literally live what I envision myself trying to be like.

Kathy: Oh, I’m so sorry.

Jason: No, but it is true.

Kathy: No, but you’re right, it’s fantastic. And the autonomy and being able to take care of patients the way that you want to take care of them — and then also, the majority of chiropractors own their own business, which was one of the things that initially was really exciting to me: I wanted to own a business where I knew that every day I was helping people, and so chiropractic sounded like it would be really easy to become a chiropractor, and I was wrong. But yeah,

[19:06] it’s really, really satisfying. And so yeah — I’m really glad that you’re doing that, because that’s one of the things that lifestyle can provide for you, and you can make it whatever you want it to be. And I know that you talked about like some of your early PT experiences — it was just like, “Here’s exactly what you’ll do, Kathy.” And so yes, those early jobs shaped the way that I like to build the culture at our clinic. And I think what you talked about early on — about how people come in to see Dr. Young and there’s a

[19:38] Jason: Connection. Well, there’s actually studies that show that people get better if they have a good relationship with their therapist or chiropractor. So that’s why he turns on the charm.

Kathy: Yeah, why would that work?

Jason: You should see him after hours.

Kathy: Totally.

Jason: Are they gone? Did they leave yet? Oh my gosh. All right, so if the NFL comes calling, are you going to put chiropractic school on hold?

Guest: Yeah, and I hope they do call.

Jason: Okay, good. If you

[20:08] would have said no, I would have answered for you and said, “Actually, sir, yes sir.”

Guest: No, yeah. Well, obviously like that’s my dream — that’s why I play sports and that’s why I’m here at Oregon State and everything. And yeah, like I’m going to give everything I got to do it and get it done. But like we talked about, even if that happens, eventually stuff ends, and I would like to pursue a business like we were talking about. So yeah.

Jason: There’s a former Irish player who is

[20:38] now a PT.

Kathy: Oh yeah, yeah. David Brutan — played for the Denver Broncos when they won the Super Bowl.

Jason: Yeah, yeah. He went back to PT school — back to my school, University of Colorado.

Kathy: There you go. So now he owns his own PT clinic in Denver. That’s what you can do.

Guest: Hopefully, huh.

Jason: Nice. And if you get to go play in the NFL for a few years, I know of a small chiropractic clinic in Corvallis that you can buy for just $2 million. So don’t — you get that

[21:08] rookie contract, don’t spend it all.

Kathy: Oh yes, yeah. Definitely. KT, that’s right — $2 million. Yes, let’s go, Todd!

Jason: Yeah, I told you the story about why I call him Todd, right? Yeah, so Katan — I don’t know if that name really translates well across the closed captioning on the jumbo tron, but one game his name is Katan O, and the announcer said “Katan Oladapo,” and on the closed

[21:40] caption it said “Todd Oladapo.” So he’s in my cell phone as Todd now, and sometimes I can’t remember his real name. So yeah, let’s go with Todd.

Kathy: My phone says “Kitten” — every time. Kitty!

Jason: Oh my gosh. So the pronunciation of your name — everybody says “Ja-Kane,” right? And my daughter — he mentioned my kids work at the clinic — so my daughter is a senior at OSU, and she was always like, “Cone? That’s not how that name is said.”

[22:12] “That’s Kane, right?” And so we would call you “Cone” around her, like whenever we’d have conversations and stuff like that, just so that she would get it — it’s Kane, it’s not “K.” So my wife was doing the voice-to-text once when we were driving, and she’s trying to send her a message, and she’s like, “Hey, Cone said that he would blah blah blah blah blah.” And when it translated the message it was like, “Connie said that she would.” So yeah, you’re affectionately

[22:44] known as Connie.

Guest: I am, in your home now. So yeah, that’s great.

Jason: So, well, let’s talk a little bit about recovery and health philosophy. We’re going to see if we can squeeze every last bit of this information out of you. I know you probably feel like you’ve already answered all the questions, but we got a couple more for you.

Guest: Okay, all right.

Kathy: From an athlete’s perspective, what’s the biggest myth about recovery?

Guest: I think the biggest myth is

[23:15] that recovery is getting a massage every day, or scraping and stuff like that — which is all great, it’s not bad, but I think people a lot of the time forget: movement is medicine. Like, we got to get moving, got to strengthen things.

Jason: You got to do this.

Kathy: He’s speaking my language.

Jason: Yeah, I’ve been in the building.

Kathy: Hey, she’s trying to make you a PT — don’t do that.

Jason: No, no. But I think that’s a big myth about it. I also think

[23:45] people got to understand it’s not a one-day thing. Like, just because it hurt today and you did a couple things and you feel better doesn’t mean your body is actually better. So I think a big myth is that people think you can go in only when you’re hurting. I think recovery is something you do every day — your body’s always working, we’re always working out, we’re always practicing. There’s something you can work on. And I think, okay, for Spring Ball — we’re in Spring Ball right now — I think a big thing that people forget is you do all of this stuff and you’re always practicing, you’re running around

[24:16] as hard as you can and everything, and you need to treat your body the same way on the practice field as you do in recovery. It’s just as important — that’s how you keep yourself out of that room. That way you don’t have to go do recovery all the time, always have to go do rehab.

Kathy: Yeah, cool. All right, that’s good. So what’s one thing that you would recommend — I mean, because you’ve been at this for a while, like, old man. But it’s not just even your senior year of college — it’s like nobody gets to their senior year of college football without having played a

[24:46] bunch of years in the past. So you’ve been doing this for a while. So what’s one thing that you would tell athletes to do to help them ensure some longevity that most of them aren’t doing?

Guest: We’re going back to it — it’s just prehab. I think you’ve got to get ahead of stuff. You can’t wait to get hurt to start taking care of yourself. And I think something I would do from a younger age, looking back, with recovery is I’d create a daily plan — even if

[25:16] it’s something that’s really small, but just something I can get through. And then, as injuries and bumps and bruises happen, then you start tweaking specific areas. But just maintaining a nice schedule — shout out my friend Easton. He had, going in freshman year, he had the routine that he goes through — he does his rolling and his stretching every night and has certain things — and he really helped me open my eyes up to like, okay, I need to keep a nice little routine that I have so it’s not all over

[25:46] the place. But yeah, I think that’s something that helps.

Kathy: All right. This is your turn, Jason.

Jason: Is it my turn?

Kathy: Yeah. I don’t think it is, because I think I just asked that question.

Jason: You did.

Kathy: Can you get this one in post?

Jason: Oh yeah, we’re going to get this in post.

Kathy: Really? We’re live!

Jason: We’re live all the time. Okay, all the way. All

[26:16] right, what’s your take on mobility versus strength when it comes to injury prevention?

Guest: I think it depends. Depending on the severity of the injury too — I think mobility is very key. Like, there’s a lot of weird movements you’re going to do that you don’t expect to do.

Jason: Oh, you’ve been watching me.

Guest: Oh yeah! There are just things that your body’s not used to, and you can train to do certain things, but it’s always nice —

[26:47] I think mobility is like a big thing because I think a lot of us aren’t hydrating enough — that’s the first thing to say — and then you get muscle tightness, you get soreness, and that’s one of the things, you know. And strength is nice, like once you’re injured, rebuilding the strength — you got to give your muscles and everything time to heal and then you got to build it back up. But I think for prevention, I think mobility is more important. I think we all try to be as strong as we can. So did he answer that correctly?

Kathy: Yes. Okay, this is a test.

[27:18] Jason: Guys, I’m getting tested right now.

Kathy: I give him an A.

Jason: Yes! Okay, good. All right, all right. You’re up to a B+. Okay, here’s your chance to kind of turn it around and get yourself into A territory. I just want to give you a moment to kind of wrap it up — kind of share, like, what are your thoughts about your personal experience, whether it’s football, your internship, and things like that? Like, what’s the important stuff for people to know?

[27:48] Just about you, this whole journey for you — anything?

I think there’s a couple things. I think the first thing I want to say is, like, what we’re doing — what you guys do — and I have much respect for you. And like, people understand we’re athletes and we’re always training, we’re always doing stuff, but you guys are the real-life heroes. Like, you guys are there as much as we’re there. You’re there for us, you’re always taking care of people. Like, the first thing I think of when I think of

[28:18] PT and chiropractic is somebody coming in who is injured, and that means — like, as an athlete especially — you’re coming in mentally hurt, emotionally hurt. Like, it’s taken away from you, you’re just trying to get better. And you are the people who pick us up. So I think it’s really important to know that you got to be that for people. Like, that is something you guys signed up to do.

Jason: And it’s — oh my gosh — we’re like First Responders now, we’re like fire — but like, you are like an

[28:49] athlete’s safe angel, almost, I would say. Like, you guys take care of everything, and that’s your job. So I hope you do it well, but it’s also like — thank you for doing it.

Kathy: Now we’re going to have to publish this podcast because we need people to know this.

Jason: Yeah, they got to know, they got to know. And thank you — first time I’ve been called an angel.

Kathy: Yeah, I know, right?

Jason: Well, I’m Irish though — got to throw in the Saints.

Kathy: You guys are Saints. No, but — and then I think, like, with my internship with you — thank you again so much for allowing me to do that.

[29:20] It’s crazy, but I had such a great time, and you opened my eyes to so much more. Like, talking about — you have your own practice, so I got to learn the business side, obviously, and that’s going to be important. And I like the ability to maintain in the beginning years when you don’t have everybody, and making those connections. You just showed me, like, it gets better, you get through things, and you can move on. So I think that was — I know we’re supposed to be talking about the internship and chiropractic and football, but I think the life lesson I learned is

[29:50] sometimes you just got to put your head down and get through stuff. Grinding season — that’s what we call it.

Jason: I think I got to learn about the business side too.

Kathy: Yeah. Well, and that’s the funny thing — I’m sitting here thinking, man, I should learn more about the business side. Well, and you know, I think that kind of brings up a funny point, is that at any point in our lives it’s very easy to look at other people and think they’ve got it right, they’ve got it made, they’ve got it figured out. And I’m sure, like, there are people that look at you and they’re like, the dude is a Division I

[30:22] football player and he’s got it right. And I’m sure you probably don’t always feel like that. And it’s funny listening to you describe me like that, because I don’t always feel like I’ve got it right — sometimes it feels like you’re just running from crisis to crisis to crisis. But I think one of the things that we can do is, if we do that with grace, then we can help other people along the way. So a person who popped into my mind while you were

[30:52] saying all those really nice and mostly undeserved things about my clinic is a guy named Rod Holland. He was a chiropractor in this community, and I went to high school with his kids and everything. And Rod was in the Air Force, he drove around this Corvette — he was a really cool guy. And when I was in chiropractic school and I’d come home to visit, he would always let me come in and shadow in his clinic. He was a guy who taught me that it is okay to have fun while you’re doing healthcare. And so he was

[31:22] joking with patients and smiling with patients, and sometimes — and you’ve had this experience too — sometimes I would hear the same joke about 13 times in the same day. But everybody got to —

Scott, our engineer, he’s over there laughing because he hears a lot of my same jokes over and over and over. Stop nodding your head, Scott. Stop nodding your head. But Rod taught me that you can have joy and fun in helping people sometimes through the worst day

[31:53] of their life. And for me, that’s incredibly satisfying. I care more that people laugh and have a good time when they come to the clinic than that they get a really good adjustment — they’re just lucky that they can manage to get both. But yeah, and I think that’s an important thing: first of all, I appreciate that you see that in us — Kathy is very much the same way too. And I think it’s also important to acknowledge that

[32:23] we didn’t grow that within ourselves, right? We get it from other people. And so that’s what mentorship is about. And what I’m really excited for is one day when I go to Dr. Jack’s fancy chiropractic clinic — yeah — and hopefully you stay on that road and become a chiropractor, but whatever it is that you do, whatever it is that you become, hopefully one day we get to show up and see you

[32:53] passing on some of those lessons and those same experiences that people have passed on to us.

That’s really — well, I can tell you, if I do become a chiropractor and I own my own clinic, you have your whole new patient — yeah, you do — you have it memorized. Yeah, it was — I’d sit there and I knew exactly what was going to happen, when it was going to happen. I’m grabbing the things I need to grab. Like, one day some lady called an audible, and I was like — well, let’s talk about what you’ve got going on — and she was like, I want to hear it from him. And I was like — and he’s — I just

[33:23] Jason: Looked at him and he’s like, “I got this.” So — oh no — stood up, stood up, grabbed the spine, starts going through the whole thing. He even nailed all the jokes, perfect timing. I was like, “Holy —” The jokes! I kept hearing the jokes, so like everything else kind of got memorized. I was like, this could be the smartest person we’ve ever had in the clinic.

Kathy: No way!

Jason: It was awesome, and she was blown away at the end.

Kathy: Yeah, she hasn’t come back, but —

Jason: Yeah, that’s true. Yeah, you only get to see him

[33:53] once.

Kathy: Yeah, keep working on it. That’s really good. Well, to wrap up — first of all, thank you so much, this has been awesome. Thank you so much for coming. We’re just excited somebody wants to be on our dumb podcast. But we want to play a game with you, okay? We’re calling this — hang on, I’m going to adjust a laptop so we can see. Actually, we got to maneuver this so that you can’t see. All right, so

[34:24] all right, you just stay where you are, you’re fine right there. This is described as a fun, fast-paced game where Jason and Kathy give Jack different scenarios related to football, health, and chiropractic —

Jack: Oh gosh.

Kathy: — and he has to respond with the first thing that comes to your mind. No overthinking, no overthinking. Okay, and to ensure that, I’ve got a 30-second timer here on my iPad. Now I do need to mention that Apple is not a sponsor — that’s not

[34:54] why I brought up iPad. Not yet. But Apple, if you’re listening — right. Okay. All right, anyway. Okay, so Jack, you’re going to have 30 seconds and we are going to read off some situations, some scenarios, and if you can respond to all of them within 30 seconds and the time doesn’t run out, then you win. What does he win, Kathy?

Kathy: Bragging rights.

Jason: Bragging rights. We’re going to

[35:24] have to come up with some sort of prize — yeah, there’s got to be some swag. We’re going to get you some swag, right? You will get an A+. Okay, wait — 30 seconds for every question? You’ve got — there’s 11, 11 situations, okay, and you’ve got 30 seconds. 30 seconds. All right, and so I’m going to be in charge of the timer. Kathy, you want to just read all the questions and then I’ll just keep my eyes on the timer. All right, we ready?

Jack: Sounds good.

Jason: Number one —

[35:54] set, go!

Kathy: Okay. You’re running late to class but you’re hurting — adjustment or foam rolling?

Jack: Adjustment.

Kathy: You wake up stiff after a game — ice bath or movement?

Jack: Movement.

Kathy: You can only do one exercise for the rest of your life, what is it?

Jack: Back squat.

Kathy: You can permanently ban one football drill, what is it?

Jack: Um, EDS.

Kathy: Okay. Worst pain — turf burn, helmet-to-helmet hit, or post-leg-day stairs?

Jack: Turf burn.

Kathy: You’re building the ultimate

[36:26] athlete — what’s the number one quality they need?

Jack: Height.

Kathy: Super Bowl ring or never-ending perfect spinal health?

Jack: Super Bowl ring.

Kathy: You’re in chiropractic school — what’s your niche: sports, wellness, or nutrition?

Jack: Sports wellness.

Kathy: Okay. What’s the best anime show ever created?

Jack: Attack on Titan. It’s the only one I was confident in.

Kathy: You lose a bet — you have to wear the jersey of which college football player for a month?

Jack: Probably

[36:58] Katana Ladapo. Probably my bet. Okay. If you’re in a situation where you needed to secretly signal for help — I think I know your answer — what coded phrase would you use to alert others you’re in trouble?

Jack: Yeah, that’s probably — we probably hit one of those. If you know what this is, you know what this is.

Jason: E and Achill! That’s you guys. All right, well I think that you were just outside of 30 seconds — actually, maybe just inside. We’re

[37:28] going to have to review the tape. But you’ve got swag coming your way. Again, thank you to our guest, Jack — it was so awesome having you here.

Jack: Appreciate it.

Jason: I’m proud of you, proud of you dude. This is great. I’m excited — I’m excited to one day see you in the NFL so I can cheer for the other team. No, just kidding.

Kathy: That’s a good one, huh? Yeah, because then you become — then you become a chiropractor faster.

Jason: And I think that there’s a lot of people who could really use you.

Jack: Appreciate it.

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