Why Willpower Fails (and What Works Instead) | RTT Hypnosis.

[0:00] Jason: Hey Kathy, have you ever heard of the term “mind over matter?”

Kathy: Oh, you mean like if I don’t mind, it doesn’t matter?

Jason: Yeah, not exactly. What I mean is, have you ever wondered if there’s an easier way to get things done besides relying on willpower?

Kathy: Yeah, I think everybody wonders about that. Willpower is exhausting. And let’s face it, it usually fails.

Jason: It does. Well, today’s guest helps people move forward with just about anything that has them stuck without having to rely on willpower. She’s unlocking the power of mindset.

Kathy: Okay, that’s right. So stick around and

[0:30] find out how she’s helping people to overcome bad habits and self-sabotage to crush all of their goals. Plus, you’re going to learn about rapid transformational therapy.

Jason: What is that?

Kathy: Oh, stick around and you’ll find out. This is the PTCH Podcast. What happens when a chiropractor and a physical therapist get together to make a health and wellness podcast?

Jason: Chiropractors and physical therapists don’t like each other.

Kathy: Oh, think again. I’m Dr. Kathy Lynch, physical therapist who likes to help people move and get stronger.

Jason: I’m Dr. Jason Young, an evidence-based chiropractor who uses

[1:01] humor just as much as adjustments to help people get better.

Kathy: Welcome to the PTCH Podcast.

Jason: Remember, there’s no I in PTCH.

Okay, everybody, welcome back to the PTCH Podcast. I’m Dr. Jason Young.

Kathy: And I’m Dr. Kathy Lynch.

Jason: Kathy, you nailed that this time. Good job. She remembered. You were thinking about it ahead of time. I love it.

Kathy: Prepared.

Jason: And really excited to welcome our guest. This is Michelle Beaubien of My Mindset Coaching and we’re glad to have you here.

[1:31] Michelle: Thank you. Excited to be here.

Jason: Great. Good. We’re going to tell you a little bit about Michelle. She’s got 30 years as a hair stylist and that’s been a very thriving business, but that’s not why you’re here. In 2019, she became a certified life coach. And in 2020, she did a deep dive into mindset coaching. And in 2022, she discovered rapid transformational therapy, which for some reason is very difficult for me to say.

[2:01] What you’ve all missed is all the takes of me trying to say that. So, using that and — now I can’t say hypnosis either — and hypnosis, she feels like she found her true calling. And so now she’s been helping people all over the world, like literally all over the world, as a hypnotherapist and a mindset coach. And these are really people of all ages, like in their 20s all the way up to their 70s. She’s helped me, she’s helped you, right?

Um, she’s helping them to build purpose,

[2:32] break patterns, and reclaim authentic identities. So welcome again, Michelle. Yeah, we’re so glad to have you. First, before we jump into this though, got to do a little bit of bragging about the PTCH Podcast. We like to do this from time to time. Thank you all, first of all, for just blowing us up. The PTCH is getting better than ever. I think that you heard that we’re top 15% of video podcasts in the world. So, okay.

Kathy: Yeah, that’s good. And one important thing that we have coming up

[3:02] really, really soon is we have our premium PTCH Podcast subscriptions. We’re working hard on some extra content for you. So if you would like to support the show, if you’re a fan of the show and you don’t want to see it get cancelled — no, we’re not in danger of getting cancelled — but if you want to support the show, that would be great. So more to come on that. Now, that’s the end of that commercial.

Michelle, let’s talk mindset coaching. So first,

[3:34] I guess — Kathy, why don’t you ask your patented question?

Kathy: How — where — how did you transition —

Jason: Sorry. From hair stylist, where —

Kathy: Hair stylist to wizard.

Jason: Yes.

Kathy: Wizard.

Michelle: Okay, well, you know — and you probably know this in both your lines, as a physical therapist and a chiropractor — when you lay your hands on somebody, they just start telling you

[4:05] everything. And they tell you what keeps them up, what wakes them up at 3:00 in the morning.

Jason: I have a collection of pin numbers. Actually —

Michelle: They tell you their fears, their pains, all their problems. So yeah, I think I got my training — a lot of my training — from being a hairdresser for many, many years,

and just wanting to help these people a little deeper,

and knowing that there always needs to be more help.

Jason: This is true.

[4:35] Michelle: So that’s how I — why I even got — and I tell people, I said, you know, I got my training as a hair stylist doing this. And they — it just doesn’t even make sense. It doesn’t even go together. And I said, you know what? It really does.

Jason: It really does. Yes, it really does.

Kathy: You’re just sitting there talking to people all day.

Michelle: So that first piqued my interest with that.

Jason: Well, I mean, as a hair stylist too, I mean, people come to see you for 30 years,

Kathy: right? I mean, lifetimes, right?

Jason: You know, so they feel like you’re part of the family.

Kathy: So they just — and you know their whole family.

Jason: Their whole family.

[5:05] You may have never met them.

Michelle: Didn’t, but —

Jason: but you know about every single one of their family. They’ve opened up to you about things that they probably haven’t even told some of their closest confidants, right?

Michelle: Yeah. They call me their therapist.

Jason: Yeah.

Michelle: And it all starts there because the stories just continue.

Jason: The next six weeks they come in, the next four weeks they come in.

Michelle: Mm-hmm. And I imagine probably something that you ran into is people come in and they’ve got like some heavy stuff and like you’re hearing the same problems over and over and over and it’s just

[5:35] like, man, I wish I could fix more than just your bangs.

Michelle: Yeah, that’s right. That’s right. I know. Because I have that thought all day long. Like people come in and they’re like, “I’m going through a divorce.” And it’s like, “I wish I could fix more than just your bangs.”

Jason: Yeah. Right. Your bangs need a lot of help.

Kathy: Yeah. Right. You know how many — do you know how many thoracic adjustments it takes to fix somebody’s bangs? Get them just the right length. I don’t think we know. I don’t think that we know.

Jason: Yeah. So, oh, that’s great. So then how did you even like stumble on

[6:07] Kathy: I guess I’m just assuming you stumbled. How did you — how did you decide — Jason: Yeah. Kathy: — on what you wanted to do in terms of training and everything like that so that you actually could reach into people’s lives and help more than just their hair? Kathy: Well, I did know that as a hair stylist, any hair stylists out there know that it’s just a matter of time before our bodies break down and we need to be doing another career. Jason: So, this is a pivot for you. Kathy: We would like to do that. And so I always often

[6:37] thought like, what would I miss? What would I really miss? And it was the relationships with the people — like if I wasn’t doing that — and it was also the ability to listen, to help, to ask better questions, to have them think. Jason: Mhm. Kathy: And so I — like you said — in 2019 did some schooling for ICF, uh, coaching certified, and then did some

[7:08] mindset training and then stumbled upon Marissa Peer. I can’t talk about rapid transformational therapy without mentioning Marissa Peer, who has been a therapist for 30 plus years in the UK. She has this method of getting to the root of the problem, and she was in every mentor’s thing that I was — that I follow, that my trainers, all my people — she was just the one who kept

[7:38] popping up. Jason: She was the recurring theme. Kathy: She just kept — yes. And I thought, who is this? I’ve got to go check this out. So she had started a school ten — nine years prior, just to help have more people help more people. Jason: Mhm. Kathy: And so I looked into her school and I thought, you know, this is what I really want to do. This way I could really help people on a deeper level and really help them make some permanent changes. Jason: And I think before we go any further, we

[8:08] should mention — because not everybody does video podcasting, there are some people that are just listening — we should mention that Michelle’s hair looks amazing. Kathy: It does. She’s got really, really good hair, y’all. Jason: I mean, it’s fantastic. Like, I’m — your hair looks — Kathy: Yeah, that ship has — that ship has sailed. But yeah, it looks good. So, great job. Great job. And I understand that you’re doing this even in the midst of — we had a big windstorm, and so you lost power. Kathy: Yes. Jason: This is how — this is how your hair

[8:39] looks when you lose power. Kathy: Spit bath in a — Jason: — without power for many, many hours. I use no water at my house. Kathy: Wow. Jason: Well, great job. You’re killing it. Okay, so anyway, that was a little bit of a diversion. Sorry about that. And so, when you talk to people and you’re like, “I’m a mindset coach,” do you get some eye rolls? Are people like, “Oh, mindset?” Like, “Oh, you’re a life coach.”

[9:10] Kathy: Correct. Absolutely. And I think that was kind of the reason I wanted to do a little bit more. Jason: Okay. And not that I don’t get it — especially when I say I do rapid transformational therapy and hypnosis. Kathy: So then that brings in a whole other eyebrow raise. Jason: Yeah. Okay. Is that when they turn their back and walk away and they go, “Oh, okay. I’m actually busy right now.” Kathy: Yeah, I forgot — I got to go. My phone’s ringing. Well, and I think — I mean,

[9:41] is there a good reason why people would roll their eyes at mindset coaching or life coaching or any of that kind of thing? Kathy: I think there are a lot of people that call themselves a life coach, or have done that route, and maybe they’re working, maybe they’re not. So I think they think of it as a common thing — everybody’s a life coach, like, okay. Jason: Yeah. Right. Right. Mhm. Jason: The eye rolls really come in with — I mean, hypnosis is a — Kathy: Yeah. Like, I’m going to hurt some feelings probably when I say this, but

[10:12] there was a time when there were a lot of people going around like, “I’m a health coach.” Kathy: I’m like, you’re a health coach? Like, what kind of health coach are you? Right? Like, do you have any sort of education, background, training? And it was like people were selling weight loss products, and it’s like, okay, so you’re selling weight loss products — that’s not really a health coach — because then people think that you’re doing something that you’re not actually doing. And now I’ve made a lot of people mad. Kathy: Which wasn’t my intention. But I

[10:42] think that probably you get the same kind of thing too, because I could just go out there and say, “Oh yeah, I’m a life coach now,” and maybe my life is falling apart, but the thing that maybe sets you apart is that you’ve done the work. Kathy: Yes. Jason: Right. Like, I remember when you were going through all this — because we’ve known you for a long time. In fact, I think that’s how we all met you — it was just when you were in your hair stylist era. Kathy: Yeah. Jason: But we’ve seen you do the work, go through the transformation yourself, and

[11:12] everything like that. And so, what’s that like? Kathy: Well, it’s been amazing. It’s been great. It’s been hard. It’s been extra busy. I’ve been transitioning from one to the other. It’s still — I still work as a hair stylist for a few days a week, but mostly my mindset coaching business is taking off. Jason: Sweet. Kathy: So, yeah. It’s extra busy. Yeah.

[11:44] But yeah, I think there was some time when I thought — you know, you question yourself, right? Self-doubt comes into play in your own self, and you go, can I really make this work? And you start thinking about your identity, and it’s like, people identify me as a hair stylist — you know, I’ve always been a hair stylist — so then when you tell them you’re doing this new thing, they’re like, “Oh, okay.” Jason: Yeah, I’m sure you are. Kathy: And in fact, was it a two-year training program? It seemed — it seemed — it

[12:14] It was. And it was— So you didn’t just anoint yourself health coach or life coach? Sorry. Uh-huh. Yeah. It was definitely very involved. Yes. I remember when you were going through it. Yes. Lots of hours. Yeah. So can you tell us about RTT? Sure. So— I’m not going to try and say the whole thing again. I give up. It is. So you’re right. So rapid transformational therapy, RTT for short, uses hypnosis in it. So when I first

[12:44] found out, I guess, that I had to be certified in hypnosis along with this — I had this like — oh no, like oh no, because all I could think of — I’m not psychic — was hypnosis was, you know, what they do in entertainment hypnosis, right? “You — deep asleep — when I snap my fingers you will be a fish.” Right. Yeah. Or they go up on stage.

[13:15] Yes. Like that fish. They go up on stage, you know, this person goes up on stage and they, you know, take off their clothes and cluck like a chicken and the next thing you know, they don’t remember any of it. Yeah. And that’s what I was thinking — I guess it’s entertainment hypnosis. I don’t even know what that is. Right. It’s like at least you had a plan B. If you couldn’t change people’s lives, at least you could do like birthday parties and corporate events, right? I don’t know what that is. Well, explain the kind of hypnosis you’re talking about — and I will — and so rapid transformational

[13:45] therapy — RTT — is getting to the root of the problem, and quickly. We do use hypnosis in it. Hypnosis is not about being asleep. It’s about the sleep of the nervous system. It’s about being relaxed in a trance-like state. We do it all day long. We’re getting hypnosis all day long and we don’t even know it. Have you ever been so involved in a paper or so involved in

[14:17] your work and the doorbell rings or your phone rings and you jump? And that is a state of hypnosis. Or — here’s a good one — have you ever driven a familiar route? Okay. And you think, oh my gosh, I don’t even remember driving the last two blocks. Like, where was I? You’re talking about the last week of my life, right? Yeah. Got to get to the studio. Like, how did I even get here? I don’t remember. Right. So that’s a state of hypnosis, too. It’s kind of like our brain has some executive functions that it just

[14:48] kind of, you know, you flip some switches and — yeah, autopilot — and it happens. So, rapid transformational therapy uses that, but it’s all about getting to the root of the problem. We can’t get to the root of the problem when we’re doing this, because you can dance around it. You can avoid it. But when you are in a hypnotic state, a relaxed state, and I ask you a question, your brain’s going to take you right to where you need to go. And you’re not going to say or do the things you don’t want to do, or

[15:18] that you’re not — you’re always in control — but it will take you to where you need to go. And so in RTT — like I said, I can’t say that without — Marissa Peer, who did this, is her method. But she invented this to get to the root of the problem quicker. And it is a little different from regular hypnosis in the hypnosis we use, because there are a whole bunch of tools in between.

[15:49] With regular hypnosis there is an induction, a suggestion part, and then taking you out. And with this one, we do an intake and we investigate and we interpret and we interrupt and we make some changes and install new — yeah, it’s like inception — uses some

[16:19] love. Yeah. Well, and I’ve done both. I’ve done the entertainment hypnosis — not like having been hypnotized, not hypnotizing other people. I wish I could do that — but I’ve done both. And I think what they have in common is that — and you know, I will just warn people, if you say a certain keyword, I will think that I’m Michael Jackson. I will. I promise I will. Yeah, you’ll get dancing and everything. I can’t remember the word, fortunately. But I think the thing is

[16:51] that when you’re there and you’re kind of in that state where you’re relaxed and you’re focused, that’s really what it is — it’s kind of like focus. And you’re right, it’s not like you’re going to go out and do stuff that you wouldn’t do, but it’s just that a lot of the pieces of your personality that will fight a suggestion — just don’t put up that fight, right? And it’s something that’s actually kind of built

[17:21] on trust. It’s like quick trust, I think, is how I would describe it. And it doesn’t feel bad. No, it feels pretty good. Yeah. So, in there — what — yeah, can you tell me how that hypnosis kind of breaks down the barriers for people? Yeah. So when we normally talk and we’re just talking like this — this is our conscious mind, right? That runs us about 5%. The conscious mind runs about 5% of the time.

[17:51] Your subconscious runs like 90 to 95% of the time. Okay. So your subconscious — your habits and your beliefs and your patterns and your programming that we get from a very early age — that’s always running in the back of our minds. So when we are just talking like this, we have our inner dialogue, right? So

[18:22] we have criticism coming to us, we have — you know, I can ask questions, you can answer whatever I think is the answer. In our subconscious, and when we’re doing the RTT hypnosis, we get in — from this is a beta stage for our brain waves — then we go into alpha, which is kind of like daydreaming, or maybe light meditation. Okay. And then theta is what we use for

[18:54] It in RTT for that hypnosis, and that is a relaxed — and when you’re talking about that, just for people listening, when you’re talking about brain waves, like this is — if you were to put on the equipment and measure this, this is kind of — this is what your brain is doing — and those waves are made out of what, dreams and wishes? Or is that — it’s — is it electromagnetism? Is that what those waves are? Yes. Okay. And so when we do — so then when you go into this theta state through

[19:26] hypnosis, you — it is accessing you — well, it’s — you’re more suggestible, right? Yeah. And then it’s accessing your memories and your emotions. You’re able to — it’s able to access those instead of just the talk. I do remember crying during mine. Mhm. It’s a — it’s a really profound experience. Yes. Yeah. Because when I did it with you, it was — it was around just my ability to keep up with my work, right? And like one of the worst parts of

[19:57] healthcare is paperwork. And so, you know, you were helping me around some paperwork stuff, and I didn’t realize — I just thought that I sucked at paperwork, or that I wasn’t organized, or I wasn’t motivated. And I found some things in there that it was like, man, and it’s interesting because even thinking back on it, it’s like, you know, are these — are these real memories or are they memories I manufacture? And it really doesn’t matter, right? Because it’s stuff that’s just clanking around in your head and it’s influencing

[20:28] how you do things, and those were things that weren’t serving me. And so it was — it was kind of cool to be able to like rewrite that. Now, I know some people are probably listening, they’re like, “I don’t want some lady rewriting — I don’t want some lady rewriting my beliefs,” and everything like that. So, can you explain a little bit how that works? Because it’s not like you just told me, “Jason, this is what you’re going to do from now on.” It wasn’t like that at all. So how does that process work? I don’t even do anything. I just guide you. The client comes up with

[20:59] all the work. I do remember thinking, “Why isn’t Michelle doing anything?” They do all the work, and — and that’s a good point where you said you were just thinking it was paperwork. That was all I needed to do. People say — I always use this question: “If I could wave a magic wand and give you anything you want, what is it that you want? Your job is to tell me exactly what you want. My job is to give it to you. What is it you want?” And so for a person like Jason, he goes, “Oh, it’s paperwork.” But then it —

[21:30] this is called the presenting problem. Mhm. It’s never the presenting problem. It’s always what lies beneath the presenting problem. And I don’t say, “Jason, that’s not really your problem.” Yeah. “Really, Jason? Really? Okay.” “Great. It’s paperwork. It’s charting. It’s whatever.” And then we go on that, because I know that the work that we will do will take him to where he needs to go. And I am just the guide. He does the work. And it’s amazing what comes out.

[22:00] Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Tried and true. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I went to Michelle because I was having trouble with overscheduling myself. Ah. Yes. And I couldn’t say no. Yes. Yeah. I was — now that’s all you say. And that’s all I say. “No.” I know. She’s been walking around telling people, “Listen y’all, in 2026, don’t ask me for anything, ‘cause the answer is no.” Yep. I’m already practicing. Yeah. Sweet. No, but she helped me figure out why. Why was I

[22:32] always saying yes, you know? And I was always saying yes because I wanted people to like me. And what I had to figure out was people are still going to like me even if I say no. And then I’m going to like myself because I’ve said no and I can rest. Yeah. And so my presenting problem was not the problem. Well, and the thing that’s amazing is she didn’t tell you that. Right. No. Exactly. She didn’t. We got to the — she guided me to that answer. Yeah. Yeah. And there were no mushrooms involved, right? I wish,

[23:02] but I’m — I’m not a psychologist. I don’t prescribe. I don’t treat. No. And you know, but I am a coach. And it’s — and it’s really — it’s really interesting because, yeah, it really is. It’s like having a friend along for a journey that you’re going on while you figure out what the heck is wrong with me, right? And I think it’s kind of cool, too, because through that whole process — and I’m wondering if you observe this a lot — but

[23:32] it has a lot to do with forgiveness, right? And I think there’s a process where people are going through and they’re just — partially forgiving themselves for the things that just aren’t really serving them, but that we insist on doing over and over and over. So, and you know, people — I always think that they have three beliefs. There’s always three things that I run into with this. And it’s either, you know, somebody — their thing is like, “I’m

[24:02] different. You don’t understand.” Or it’s available to everybody else but not me. Or the third — and a lot of times it is — somewhere inside they believe they’re not enough. They’re not good enough. They’re not smart enough. Was number three. It’s just not enough. Dang it. Good job. And they always — they believe that. So that part of forgiveness that you’re talking about is coming to terms with “I had it wrong.” Mhm. I — I was born enough. I’ve

[24:36] always been enough. Yeah. So that was profound, because it was the first time in my life I’d ever been wrong. Like, what — what is this that I’m feeling? I don’t even know what that is, being wrong. Okay, so tell people about whether this lasts, because obviously if you say, you know, “Colonel Sanders” — I’m not going to act like Michael Jordan — not Michael Jackson, I think it was — but whatever it was, that — so how do you make it stick then? Because these entertainment things, you know, once the show is over, everybody’s good. But how do you make it stick? So, first of all, I don’t make it stick. But the thing is — and I think Marissa Peer said that the session, the RTT session, is what changes your brain, right? That’s what makes the change in you. And then the —

[25:06] — whatever it was — so how do you make it stick then? Because these entertainment things, you know, once the show is over, everybody’s good. But how do you make it stick? So, first of all, I don’t make it stick. But the thing is — and I think Marissa Peer said that the session, the RTT session, is what changes your brain, right? That’s what makes the change in you. And then the —

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[25:37] The audio that you leave with for your transformation is what makes it stick. Jason: So you got to describe that for people. We know what you’re talking about. But Kathy: so at the end of the session, there’s this time that’s called a transformation. At the very end after we do all the work, we go through these steps and at the very end is a transformation. And the transformation is just for you to sit back and just in a relaxed state listen and take in

[26:08] it’s forming new neural pathways, right? So it’s literally breaking down — repetition breaks down those fatty acids in the brain and forms new neuropathways. These new neuropathways turn into “this is my identity, this is who I am.” So, you take this last part of this session. It’s called the transformation and you listen to it for at least 21 days in a row in a relaxed hypnotic state. That is all

[26:38] there. It’s all — Jason: it’s all tailored — it tells you exactly what to do. It’s all tailored to you. And you record this. Kathy: I made it for you. I record it in my voice. But it’s — from your intake, from what I get in your session, from even our 20 minute free consultation, it’s your words of what you want your life to look like. Jason: And so I put it into this template, which is — and I say template, it has to have some hypnotic words and some rhythm and some of these things. And then

[27:08] you get it and it’s actually really uplifting and makes you feel good. So you want it. Jason: Yeah. To listen to it. And you listen to it for 21 days at least daily. Some people listen to it several times a day. But just doing that is forming these new neural pathways. And what happens is I get from people — they say — and also of course you can listen to it for 21 days but it’s yours to keep forever and ever. Kathy: I saw mine on my phone and it’s been a couple years now. Many people bring it back out and continue to

[27:38] listen, Jason: and especially if they’re feeling like, “Oh, I’m not doing — I’m not as on my game,” or “I’m not —” Kathy: Mhm. Jason: So they listen to it again and then they soon find that they’re back into their Kathy: their swing. Jason: Yeah. Um, they — I forgot where I was going. Anyway, so neuropathways — repetition, right? It becomes familiar. It becomes familiar. We are drawn to what is

[28:08] familiar and our brains like what is familiar and we push away from what is not familiar. So we make this — listening to this and the things in it — familiar. I think I was going to say one of the things is, like, the people that I work with, they say, “You know, I don’t even remember hearing this one part and now all of a sudden I’m hearing this one part,” or “Now I find myself doing this — like, why am I doing this?” And it’s in your audio. Jason: Mhm.

[28:39] Kathy: Mhm. Jason: Well, and I think there’s — I can hear the skeptics out there as they’re listening, like, “Well, duh. If you tell me to do something over and over and over, then of course I’m going to do it.” Yeah, dummy. That’s what she’s saying. Okay. Kathy: Right. And you brought up already that we’re all dealing with this subconscious part of our brain all the time. It’s the music that we listen to. It’s the things that we say to other people, things that we say to ourselves, the things that we

[29:10] choose to do. And we’re just a collection of our habits. And so it’s like if you have the opportunity to go in and manipulate your habits partially through listening to something and it can have a positive outcome on your life, then yeah, do it. So, what kind of things do people come to you for help with? Jason: All sorts of things. And like I said, some things they come to get help with and it’s not that at all. You know, it’s something else. But

[29:41] feeling anxious, having a lot of that. Maybe they are — procrastination. They’re not — never been a finisher. They can’t finish anything they start. Kathy: I don’t know about that. Jason: Maybe they can’t even get started. Kathy: I don’t know about that either. Addictions, Jason: all sorts of different ones. Kathy: Like, I know that people use hypnosis to help with smoking. RTT,

[30:11] Jason: right? Kathy: Does that help with smoking too? Jason: Absolutely. Kathy: Okay. Smoking. Mhm. Jason: What about weight loss? Kathy: Weight. Yes. We call it an unhealthy relationship with food. Jason: Okay. Kathy: We never say “weight loss” or “lose weight” because when you lose something, your mind always wants to go find it. Jason: Yes, and usually finding it in the Kathy: shedding — Jason: form of a cheeseburger. Cheetos — Kathy: Cheetos. And a lot of things like maybe somebody who doesn’t feel —

[30:44] you know, they feel like they can’t make a decision. They feel maybe they can’t speak up. Maybe they want something and they just don’t know what’s holding them back. Jason: Mhm. Kathy: Or a number of reasons. Jason: Yeah. I feel like we all have this soundtrack in our head that you talked about, and I think with my work with Michelle, now I have a new soundtrack in my head. And what’s great about RTT and the audio

[31:15] that she’s given us is it’s all positive. It’s a positive soundtrack because we’re really good at being critics of ourselves. Kathy: Absolutely. Jason: And so usually people’s soundtracks are all criticism in your head. And so this new soundtrack is a positive soundtrack. And I think that is a flip that can be switched with this. Kathy: Right. Yeah. Did you know that neuroscience proves that our brains, just by making changes in our behaviors, our beliefs, our attitude, can

[31:46] change our thoughts? Jason: That’s it. Just by making those changes. Kathy: Well, I think one thing that’s interesting is a lot of times when people think about hypnosis for health reasons — which this is a health and wellness podcast Jason: for entertainment purposes. Kathy: Yeah, entertainment. We’re not telling anybody what to do. We’re not your doctor. Jason: This is not medical advice today. Kathy: Yes. We’re not — some of your doctors. Um, but like a lot of people are like, “Oh, hypnotize me to stop smoking. Hypnotize me to stop drinking. Hypnotize me to stop, stop.” I think the one thing

[32:17] That’s kind of interesting about this is that it’s positive behaviors, right? So I know somebody that you worked with who they wanted to stop eating chocolate, but like you said, presenting problem, but it actually led to a whole bunch of other healthy, like proactive behaviors, which was really pretty good. Let me ask you this though. Is there anybody who should not be using this?

Yeah, there are people that

[32:47] shouldn’t be — I can’t work with people that are epileptic or psychotic or been diagnosed with psychosis. Kathy: So definitely not that. Jason: Yeah. Okay. And I did want to say one thing also about who it’s good for. I was starting to think about that — that question brought up, oh yeah, who have I worked with? Oh yeah. Yeah. People with pain, like people with pain that hold on to pain. Jason: They do. Yeah. So that’s another one. Well, and that’s a huge frontier

[33:19] because I think that the average person underestimates how much of their pain, especially chronic pain, lives in their head. And it’s almost offensive to tell people, “Hey, some of this is in your head.” But it’s normal. Like, if you are healthy, your pain is in your head. All pain’s in the brain. Yeah. It’s the only organ that experiences pain. Mhm. Just asking about who’s brain dead — they can’t respond. Don’t ask them anything. That’s mean.

[33:50] So yeah, but the brain is where pain is created. And so why not tap in and see what we can do? Yeah. I mean, the worst thing that could happen is that you find out that your pain isn’t your problem, right? Is that what you’re saying? Or you know, they’ve had these beliefs, right? Maybe from past trauma or injury — okay, this is going to happen again, and oh no, look what happens. Or

[34:20] here’s another one for you: there are — you know, in a family I always say there’s — we’re different people. Like there’s somebody in your family that’s the carer, somebody in your family that’s the brilliant one, somebody in your family that’s the rebel, and then there’s the sick one. Yeah, and the sick one. And you have these things because you’ve gotten attention for these things. Yeah. So there’s that, too. So sometimes we hold on to pain

[34:50] because it’s doing something for us. Yeah. It’s serving. It’s serving. Yeah. Maybe it’s protecting us, maybe it’s punishing us, maybe it’s prioritizing us. What’s maybe a transformation that you’ve been a part of that surprised you the most, where you were like, “Whoa, I didn’t think that it was going to be all that” — like you had an experience like that? Oh, I think — I mean, without revealing any private information, so yeah, just in

[35:20] generalities, like what kind of issue was it and what surprised you about it? Yeah, I’m just thinking about all the different things that I’ve had. And sometimes I think I have it in my mind, right? Like, oh, I bet you this is what happened. But I don’t know. And I remember working with somebody and

[35:50] I do this thing and I go deeper and deeper — and this is how I get them into this induction. It’s called — we’re at the beginning of the hypnosis. And I remember this gal stopped me and she didn’t want to go deeper and she was really afraid of this “deeper” word. And so I think that was very early on and I realized not everybody wants to go deeper. So anyway, I thought, oh, she had this bad experience with something in water, or I

[36:20] don’t know — I was making something totally up. But anyway, in the end it wasn’t anything to do with that. So I think that was my first thing that taught me, like, oh, so it’s not always what I think — it can be something else. And then there was another one with a gal who wanted to drive. Okay. I do my work through Zoom, and helping somebody drive. Yeah. But she wanted to — she wanted to improve her driving skills, let’s put it that way.

[36:50] And I thought there was maybe something that had happened in a car prior — accident or something — and it wasn’t anything to do with that. Okay. So again, I was led a different way. Oh. So sometimes you just don’t know. You have a favorite transformational story outside the two of us? Of course. Yeah. Oh, so many good ones. Like, so many good ones. Yeah. I can think of a great one with a gal that was very anxious and

[37:20] and wouldn’t leave her house. Oh wow. I thought first, like, “Oh gosh, is this above my scope? Is this, you know —” but as I was talking to her I could tell it was and I was just so surprised at how fast her transformation was. And she’s still to this day doing wonderful. But she had some things where it was hard for her to go outside, to do different things — all the things that she wanted to get back

[37:50] to in her life. And it was amazing that she had this big transformation in a very short time. I’m talking like, you know, a couple weeks. Wow. Like it was really big. And then all of a sudden she was going outside. Yeah. Because — yeah. I remember asking her how her week was when I checked back in — I do some coaching calls after — and asked her how her week was, and she was like, “Fine.” And I go, “Well, tell me about it.” She goes, “Oh, I went and did this, I did that.” I’m like,

[38:20] “Last week you weren’t going outside your door.” So yeah, that was a very big one. Wow. Mhm. So what’s a slam dunk for you? Like, if somebody’s listening and you’re like, if I could just reach this person with this problem or kind of this need, what’s the person that’s like, “Oh yeah, this is bread and butter — we can help you, definitely.” You know, I think some of my favorite people to —

[38:50] situation to work with, and there’s so much need for it, are the people that just have a problem with self-worth.

Jason: And I just love —

Are there people like that?

Kathy: I love to —

Where are those people?

I love to pour belief into them so they can believe in themselves. But just help them feel that they are enough. And I think that’s one of my favorite to work with.

Mhm.

Jason: Love it.

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: I love it.

Kathy: Yeah.

Um, so

[39:22] see where we’re at. I think it might be game time. You think so? All right.

Have you listened to the PTCH Podcast before?

Kathy: I have.

Jason: Yeah. You know, it’s kind of funny. We’ve had — we’ve been having people on and like I joke with them, “Oh, you don’t even listen.” And we’re finding it’s true more and more. We’ve had some people actually listen.

Kathy: I know. We’ve had some people where it’s like, “Nah, I don’t listen.”

Jason: Yeah. Yeah. She’s like, “Oh, no.”

Kathy: Yeah. Well, this game is worth 100

[39:53] points.

Jason: Okay. So, basically you are the first hypnosis expert that we’ve had on, and so we want to test your expertise.

Hey, you know what? You got to think positively, especially — but is it RTT hypnosis?

It is. This is just — well, and that’s the thing, is there’s so many hypnosis techniques out there. I have my own technique that we’re not going to talk about ‘cause it’s not effective at all.

Kathy: Feeling hypnotized right now.

Jason: Yeah. But I’m just going to

[40:23] read you the name of a hypnosis technique and a little bit of a description about it, and I just want you to tell me if it’s real or if it’s fake. And we know that you specialize in RTT, and so I don’t expect you to be an expert in all things hypnosis. But let’s have some fun ‘cause we made some ready. Hypnotic analgesia — a phenomenon in which focused attention and suggestion significantly reduces the

[40:54] subjective experience of pain without tissue-level anesthesia. Is that real?

Kathy: Real.

Jason: Yeah, it is real. Sounds real.

Kathy: Yeah, it totally is.

Jason: Yeah, it totally is. Okay, good. Good. See, one for one. Look at our expert here.

Kathy: Let me stop here.

Jason: How about this one? It’s called fractionation. It’s fun to say, everybody.

Kathy: Fractionation.

Jason: You got to say it like you’re Jimmy Stewart. Fractionation.

Kathy: Fractionation.

Jason: Yes. Okay. The deliberate induction

[41:24] and interruption of hypnotic states to increase responsiveness and depth of focused attention over time. Fractionation. Real or did I make that up?

Kathy: I think it’s not real.

Jason: I did not make it up — it’s real.

Kathy: It’s real.

Jason: It’s so real.

Kathy: Over time.

Jason: Fractionation. We’re going to have a fractionation expert on here. No. Yeah. And you know, I Googled it, so it’s not like I know anything about it. All right. Here we — I’m sure Google’s right.

Neuro repatterning loop. This sounds

[41:55] good. This sounds legit. NRL. Neuro repatterning loop. Okay. A cyclical process where repeated verbal suggestions permanently rewire maladaptive neural pathways responsible for unwanted behaviors. Is that real or is that fake?

Kathy: Real.

Jason: I said fake. I made up neuro repatterning loop. I mean, here’s the

[42:26] crux — I know that sounds real to me.

Kathy: I think it’s the permanent part.

Jason: I see —

Kathy: because what’s really permanent, right? Like, we can change anything, right?

Jason: Yeah. Okay, let’s do this one. Ideomotor signaling.

Kathy: Oh, okay. Oh, I know this one.

Jason: Yeah. Small involuntary physical movements used as non-verbal responses during focused attention or hypnotic states. Ideomotor signaling.

Kathy: True.

Jason: That is real. That is a real thing. Is

[42:57] that something that you guys are looking for during this?

Kathy: Oh, really?

Jason: Okay. Wait. What are you looking for?

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: Oh, wait. You can’t say it.

Kathy: Okay. Okay. Good. No. ‘Cause future clients would be like,

Jason: “Oh, I got to do this.”

Kathy: Well, no. She can’t play poker anymore is what it is. Yeah. Okay. Let’s see. Let’s do a couple more here. A quantum suggestability field — a proposed energetic field through which intention and suggestion influence cellular behavior beyond conscious awareness.

[43:31] Quantum suggestability field.

Kathy: False.

Jason: It sounds really fake, doesn’t it? Super fake. It is fake. It is fake. Super fake.

Let me give you one more. Okay, this one is worth 100 points.

Kathy: Oh my god.

Jason: All right. Critical faculty bypass. That’s also fun to say.

Kathy: Is this a heart procedure?

Jason: Faculty, right? Critical faculty bypass. You could probably already imagine what this is.

[44:01] It’s a claimed process where hypnosis disables analytical thinking to allow suggestions to be accepted without evaluation. Critical faculty bypass.

Kathy: True.

Jason: True. It’s actually fake.

Kathy: I mean, because you’re always — I mean, you always have some level of thinking that’s going on in there, right?

Jason: I don’t know. Those were fun to make up. I still think that you’re an expert. And the reason I think that you’re an expert is because it’s worked for me. And so it’s really good.

[44:31] I would agree.

So, Michelle

got one right.

Yeah. I think she got most — a couple.

I think she got all of them right. So, if somebody wants to try this out, what should they do?

Kathy: They can get a hold of me at my website, mymindsetcoaching.com, and I have a form on there that they can fill out. It comes to me and I offer a 20-minute consultation call

[45:01] just to see if I can help, to see if what I do is a fit for them.

Mhm.

Yeah. Or they can — I have a number.

Jason: And you said earlier it’s a free 20-minute conversation.

Kathy: Yeah. And then after that it isn’t even really that expensive. I think — I remember right after I got this done and talking to people, and I was like, my return on investment doing this

was massive.

Jason: Yes.

Kathy: Right. Just because it boosted my productivity, and it was like, golly, this was — this is totally worth it. And so

[45:32] Jason: I think that if people are thinking about it, it’s like the thing that you’re really concerned about — what is it costing you? Not how much is it costing you, because sometimes it isn’t money.

Kathy: Right.

Jason: But what’s it costing you if nothing changes, right?

Kathy: Absolutely. Absolutely. So I think it was well worth it. So mymindsetcoaching.com,

Jason: correct?

Kathy: Okay, cool.

Jason: Be in the show notes.

Kathy: Be in the show notes. All right. So what are our takehomes here, Kath?

Kathy: Oh, yeah. You go first.

Jason: Okay, I’ll go first this time.

[46:05] I know exactly where my recording is. I need to start listening to it again. I’m interested — all these years later, even though I’m still reaping a lot of the positive benefits of it — I’m interested if there’s still further that I can take it. And so I’m going to start listening. I’m going to do another 21 days.

Kathy: Good for you.

Jason: I am. Okay. I think that she forced me to — she was doing something with her eyes this whole time. She was like, “You’re going to listen, you’re going to listen to your—” Yeah. Oh jeez. She’s good. She’s really good.

[46:36] Kathy: Very good.

Jason: Yeah. What about yours?

Kathy: Yeah. My takehome with this is it’s the real deal, because it is based in neuroscience and the training that Michelle’s done over two years. So, yeah, if you need to get unstuck, this is the way to do it. If you need more positive thoughts about yourself,

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: do it.

Jason: Well, and it’s awesome because I don’t feel like she did it. I feel like I did it.

Kathy: Well, that — and that’s why it sticks,

[47:07] right? Because she makes it seem like it was your idea.

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: And it was your—

Jason: I wonder, is she tricking us?

Kathy: Yes. Yes.

Jason: I don’t care. I don’t care. It works. It does. So,

Kathy: yes.

Jason: Oh, that’s good. So, thank you again, Michelle, for being on and yeah, this was awesome. Oh, time to mention our sponsors. Right. We got two sponsors for this episode — Encore Physical Therapy in Corvallis on Ninth Street. PT so good.

Kathy: You’re going to want more. Right. And

[47:37] then what’s the other one?

Jason: Body of Health Chiropractic and Wellness Center.

Kathy: That is correct. Yeah, you said —

Jason: Feel better about feeling better.

Kathy: Yes. Good. Yes. Nailed the tagline. And I think there’s one more very important thing that we need to tell people.

Jason: There’s no “I” in PTCH.